May 2025: An Introduction

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Stephen Fry, in conversation with Ann Widdecombe, once famously described the ten commandments as ‘the hysterical believings of a group of desert tribes’. He went on, ‘these desert tribes have stored up more misery for mankind than any other group of people in the history of the planet, and they’re doing it to this day’. Ouch! Engaging argument to many secularists, of course, but still untrue and unfair as all two-dimensional caricatures must be and are.

Richard Dawkins, another famous British atheist and author of The God Delusion, said in his book, ‘God is… a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser , a misogynistic, homophobic racist, an infanticidal, genocidal, phillicidal (sic), pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Ouch, engaging argument to many secularists of course, but still untrue and unfair.

And the late Christopher Hitchins, whose enthusiasm for revealing, as he saw it, the irrationality and absurdity of all faith matched both Dawkins and Fry, said the following: ‘Everything about Christianity is contained in the pathetic image of ‘the flock”. Ouch, very engaging to many secularists of course, but still untrue and unfair.

If two-dimensional caricatures go undiscussed they soon become solidified into three-dimensional truths.

Each of these writers – and I do admire them each in many ways – has settled on a very superficial and rhetorical understanding of God and of faith, because superficiality and rhetoric suit their purpose of showing up religion to be the ultimate sham that has deceived and destroyed, and which human intellect, on its journey to reason and enlightenment, must one day put down with disdain.

Very recently Esther Rantzen, someone else I admire, has argued that many people opposed to assisted dying tend to speak from the position of undeclared religious interest, implying I guess that a religious view is by definition a dogmatic and unsympathetic one and one not nuanced enough for grown up conversation. But, truthfully, many people with a faith are pro assisted dying, and whether we are for or against it, it is invariably motivated by a desire to speak for and on behalf of the weak and vulnerable – those lacking a voice – amongst us. It does not come, as is implied, from an unyielding and unsympathetic dogmatism. So, again, we have a caricature. And if two-dimensional caricatures go undiscussed they soon become solidified into three-dimensional truths.

All of these issues will be addressed more fully in later blogs. Christians talk to each other about their faith a lot but I suspect less so to non-believers. Perhaps we feel we might offend, or come across as heavy-handed evangelists, or we simply think one doesn’t talk about religion in polite company, or we won’t get a fair hearing. Those that are happy to discuss faith with those antagonistic to it are sometimes the heavy-handed evangelists. There is a middle path and one dimension of these blogs will be to challenge the argument that religion (like politics) should be avoided in public discourse. it’s often said isn’t it that you shouldn’t speak of politics, religion or money at dinner parties – but why not? I suspect it’s because it causes disagreement and that’s not what you want when you’re socialising. But if we don’t learnt to disagree well, or we are fearful of offending by disagreeing at all, we can never move forward in our ideas regardless of where we sit on the spectrum of belief on God or anything else.

We live in a culture, and I speak primarily of Great Britain now, where lots of people are rejecting religion, not necessarily in a malicious or argumentative way, but simply by arguing that the idea of ‘a man in the sky’ makes no real sense anymore. Of course it doesn’t – it never did!

It is often said that Britain is no longer a Christian country – sometimes, often maybe, that is said with a sigh of relief. It only becomes a Christian country, it feels to me, and in so far as I can tell, when those on the Right seek to use our faith as a shield against ‘incomers’. You know the lines – our ‘Christian culture’ is being swamped, some parts of Britain are ‘no go’ areas, we can’t even say Happy Christmas anymore! It’s all rubbish of course. But like a snowball of hearsay, it gains momentum.

Beyond that nonsense, and more significantly, we as a culture seem to have opted for something we call ‘spirituality’ rather than religion – by which I think is meant a free-spirited and non-prescriptive approach to the exploration of the esoteric – and why not – religion has a bad press for sure, and spirituality sounds much less dogmatic, much more endearing and, much more inclined to a live-and-let-live approach. The downside I would suggest, and its for debate, is that spirituality faces no accountability.

But there is one great by-product of this movement towards self-expression of the spirit. And I applaud it. There was a time, long, long ago, when churches were full and perhaps everyone believed in God. More recently, (maybe mid twentieth century) most people would be in a church on a Sunday, regardless of whether or not they believed, but simply because it was ‘what you did’. It was ‘respectable’ and it was ‘cultural’. These days the only people you will find in church are those who wish to be there – and that can only be a good thing.

I do not know what people believe – none of us do. We meet in what Wittgenstein called the language game (more of that later) and assume when we speak of God and faith we are all speaking of the same thing. But we are not. I suspect every single one of us believes something slightly different about God or about the lack-of-God. Does that idiosyncratic understanding not offer evidence that there is nothing supernatural out there? No, not really. Besides, people of faith do agree on some key tenets. But more of that later – for me, the fact that people have individual views on what God is or God is not, only suggests that faith is more nuanced and layered than radical atheists might allow or wish to believe, and certainly more nuanced than what conservative Christians hold to. There may be many ways of saying table, but that won’t change what a table is!

Spirituality seems much more endearing than religion

This first blog raises more questions than answers but that’s the nature of debating – when you offer wriggle-room to hear others opinions, that help our understandings to grow. After any discussion, either I will eventually see you have a point, and adjust my view accordingly, or I will better understand why you are wrong and why I hold to that which I do hold to. Either way, the journey is precious.

Many people are rejecting Christianity on the basis of a few well drawn caricatures, such as those gleefully outlined by Dawkins, some poorly taught RE lessons, (not to generalise but in state schools RE is often taught by hard-pressed teachers who have no specialisation); there are confusions over how we use words when we speak of faith (some believe for example the Trinity embodies a polytheistic idea of God), the plurality of religions, and an understandable inability to reconcile the idea of a God of Love with the suffering humanity endures. I hope to address all of those issues – caricature, poor teaching, how we ‘talk about’ religion, how many religions can and do point to the same spiritual reality, and theodicy – how one reconciles endless suffering with a benign deity. It’s a wide ranging task for sure and many will disagree with my views! Great. Let’s disagree; at least we are discussing it and knocking down some of the caricatures of faith and of secularism.


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7 responses to “May 2025: An Introduction”

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    Anonymous

    Hello Mandy
    First-time commenter here and a Christian with quite a simple but not fiercely dogmatic faith. I would say ‘engaging argument for all people of good will’. I live with an atheist and find they open my mind to truths and insights on a daily basis. For me the main issue is ‘othering’ dogmatism (creating in-groups and out-groups), whether within a faith tradition or between one believer and another in different belief systems.

    I have looked, unsuccessfully, to find a conversation I heard some years ago on the radio between a leading atheist and a leading theologian (I thought Jim Al-Khalili and Jonathan Sacks). I couldn’t find it but in looking found these recordings which show that atheist ‘opposition’ may be fervent but not necessarily gleeful and how much we can gain by stepping out into Rumi’s field.

    https://youtu.be/4Jkw4G3IiUU?si=dN0tXJz5avkxmsHm

    https://youtu.be/QVVlEBaAmqw?si=9Hy0wSkwh5KuC0_O

    Out beyond ideas
    of wrong-doing and right-doing,
    there is a field – I’ll meet you there.
    When the soul lies down in that grass,
    the world is too full to talk about.
    Ideas, language, even the phrase
    “each other”
    don’t make any sense.
    ~Rumi

    Thanks so much for your site. I look forward to learning from and growing through it 💐

    1. Mandy Avatar
      Mandy

      Hi there,

      I am so sorry it has taken me a bit of time to reply; I am new to the whole website thing and have been struggling with comments getting through to me – problem with plug ins apparently! But I hear you and I agree with what you say here – ‘opposition may be fervent but not gleeful’. Exactly that. I do worry more than anything that people have a longing for faith in something beyond the everyday empirical world, but are put off by misinformation and that is the heart of what I’m trying to do. Engage people and gently challenge preconceptions. Thanks so much for getting in touch, Mandy

      1. Cecilia Yardley Avatar
        Cecilia Yardley

        Thanks for your reply, Mandy. I think talking with each other about experiences of awe may well be a good way to connect.

        https://ggsc.berkeley.edu/images/uploads/GGSC-JTF_White_Paper-Awe_FINAL.pdf

        The link above is to a positive psychology summary about awe – but, actually, what is stirring me more is thinking of a pic a lady I know shared of her new grandson. And also the sand dunes in Dune 2 which I watched recently – not sure if from Namibia or Abu Dhabi, but so huge and pristine and magnificent.

        Even in terrible circumstances people can experience awe – like Viktor Frankl watching a sunset while in the concentration camp.

        I think our society encourages self-centredness rather than self-transcendence but that Jesus modelled healthy (as opposed to fearful or forced) self-giving, and this way deep satisfaction lies, because it’s in our spiritual DNA.

        Cheers to you and anyone reading this 😊

        Cx

        1. Mandy Avatar
          Mandy

          Hi there,
          I just clocked something important you said in your first comment – about ‘engaging argument for all people of good will’ and all that atheists bring to the table in terms of insights and experience. Absolutely – I want to say you’re right, and some of the best conversations I have are with those who would describe themselves as atheists – and I don’t doubt we ourselves are responsible for some/many of the caricatures of religion but they exist nonetheless. And they need gently unpicking. Also agree about ‘othering’ and the dangers there. There is such a difficulty in generalising about anything but this website is based on the idea that faith in our society is often caricatured (not necessarily deliberately) by all manner of people, sometimes atheists, sometimes by people who would describe themselves as having a faith. I’ll get back to you on your later comment about awe – still chasing my web-master tail.

        2. expertmy26f116c59a Avatar
          expertmy26f116c59a

          Just been reading a bit about Paul Tillich, a German-born (English speaking) philosopher/theologian from early part of twentieth century. I studied him a little when I was teaching A level RE but don’t know his work well at all – I do know he said that our religion is whatever makes our heart beat faster, or gives us meaning and in that sense we all, he said, have a religion. Paraphrasing madly I’m afraid – he didn’t write like that at all! – but he wrote about awe in this context – I know scientists who are friends who speak of how they find beauty and awe in their understanding of how the world works – that I can completely understand. I’m no scientist but I get really fascinated listening to someone who knows what they’re talking about explain dna, for example. But it always leads me to God – what to others is the end, to me is the means I guess.

          I suspect we all experience awe gazing at a red sky at night, or standing in front of an ocean, or seeing a baby born or even a loved one die – or in moments of deep existential crisis – even if we don’t so articulate it. There’s that feeling of reverence and fear (true meaning of the word awful/awe-full) for the thing that seems to be so much bigger than we feel we are or can be. That more-than-a-mere-feeling that is awe is a door that opens and then closes again so quickly, for all of us. And then we’re back to this mundane, sometimes cruel, sometimes beautiful ‘reality’ that is the lot of many of us for much of the time. I think awe is such an important spiritual experience that if we could shed the little self and enter into it more fully it would be so transformative for us as individuals and as a society. But, as the Dali Lama put it, we live like we are never going to die, and then die having never lived. That to me is the transformative nature of faith – though I can hardly articulate it* – to be made in the image of God, to love, to create, to experience awe and know ourselves made for that too.

          *Wittgenstein said ‘what cannot be spoken about must be passed over in silence’ – he was talking about God and the human limits of language. Makes a website like this a challenge…;)

          God bless, mandy

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            Anonymous

            I think, perhaps, God is more chatty than Wittgenstein – after all, there is the commandment to the Israelites, “tell your children” a story that builds a world view in which God is a God who speaks, acts and expects us to do so, also: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-tales-we-tell/

  2. expertmy26f116c59a Avatar
    expertmy26f116c59a

    Absolutely – when it comes to telling the stories of God and God’s people – the Bible is a sublime narrative – and of course Jesus is the Word of God. But Wittgenstein is speaking more of the dilemma of humans using language to express a sense of what is or ought to be beyond language because it is beyond the human mind- the divine. We mustn’t let language – a human construct – limit God. We often do so for example when we apply metaphor literally and give God our more petty qualities – in Isaiah 55, we hear God’s ways and thoughts are not ours – and then make God just like us and God’s love as limiting and limited as ours.

Thank you for reading – I look forward to hearing your thoughts!